Ezekiel, what did he really see??

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Dundee

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The Book of Ezekiel has always fascinated me.
Here is my take on it?

Ezekiel 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity,

3 The word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was there upon him.

4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

Cloud and Fire?
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5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

Four Wings
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7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

Landing Legs perhaps?
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8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

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12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.

13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

If you have only ever seen wooden wheels on wagons like in the days of Ezekiel, a normal wheel might be described as a wheel withing a wheel.


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17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
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20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

Could this be a description of a cabin dome?
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23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.

24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

A jet engine is 150db, loud enough to rupture your ear drum.

25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

Again looking into a cockpit with a pilot sitting in the seat, when you think that it is a God?? Might easily be described this way.


27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.
 
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There is no evidence at all of Israelite's being around or being influenced by a God. Rather, it is more than likely there was something going in their central nervous systems which was involved with the visions and the voices which they experienced, and that is the role where endogenous drugs like DMT come into play. Was manna not a mushroom fungi? Is a mushroom not sometimes a magical one?
 
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There is no evidence at all of Israelite's being around or being influenced by a God. Rather, it is more than likely there was something going in their central nervous systems which was involved with the visions and the voices which they experienced, and that is the role where endogenous drugs like DMT come into play. Was manna not a mushroom fungi? Is a mushroom not sometimes a magical one?
Good point about the influence of drugs, it was very common in holy men, shamans etc. But old Ezekiel talks about these visitations in a few laces if I remember. There are quite a few references in the bible(s) that may have different interpretations. Ezekiel claims to have been taken up into the gods ship If I remember correctly. I would have to hunt, I am no bible scholar that's fr certain.
 
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This is going to be an interesting thread.
I have a text file somewhere that reference places in the old and new Testament that can arguably be attributed to UFOs. But they some are drawing a pretty long bow :) I will hunt it out.
 
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I have had this discussion with a self-proclaimed psychic years ago. Yeah, supposed to be some UFO of some sort with lights like eyes around some circular wheel thing that could represent the main body the craft.
 
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Dundee

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Lol

I mean... I agree but 'what' are they doing in our passed?
Haha, It was just a little word play, you mean past :)
Passed = I passed a car
Past = Things that happened before not.

Well I would imagine they are just checking things out. If I had a time machine I would certainly have a few times I would visit.
500 years from now, who knows how interesting today's events would be?
 
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Haha, It was just a little word play, you mean past :)
Passed = I passed a car
Past = Things that happened before not.

Well I would imagine they are just checking things out. If I had a time machine I would certainly have a few times I would visit.
500 years from now, who knows how interesting today's events would be?
I must be losing it. lol
 
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He did not see any UFO...Take the ancient alien spin off it.....


This from a religious fanatic website.
 
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Dundee

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He did not see any UFO...Take the ancient alien spin off it.....
You know this how?

This from a religious fanatic website.

That is a very selective interpretation looking through a tube at only the bits that suit the argument.
I am at work at the minute so have not enough time to find them now, however there are more than a few passages by Ezekiel where he talks about multiple visits by "Who ever they were" and also a couple of instances where they took him up in their craft.
It has been a couple of decades since I gave it any serious study but if I remember correctly he talks about seeing the city from above and other significant landmarks. He is quite clearly describing a ride in a flying machine. Now whether that is Gods Chariot, ET, of a LSD trip gone bad we will never know for sure. However I cant imagine why a diety would appear in a chariot with wheels, wings a crystal dome, landing gear with calf's feet and faces carved in the side.
Not sure how you go for a ride in a craft that is only a vision.

This is why i hate the church, it is manipulative and selective and is only interested in doctrine, at the expense of impartiality.

I will hunt out the rest of it over the weekend and post the whole story.
Also I noticed that different bibles versions have different wordings and interpretations.
I have in the past looked at the direct translation from Hebrew and even without colorful embellishments it clearly tells the same story.
 
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Why don't you ask your buddy Dr Wu who got me banned from Alien Hub....You and a few other of those damn cry babies can go straight to HELL! Now BAN my f'ing ass from here if you want too!
 
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